That morning we drove deeper and deeper and higher and higher into the forest on a mountainside. I was one of the only black people in Spring Creek Lodge. Filming will take place at the Yellowstone Film Ranch in Livingston this spring after previously being held at the Bonanza Creek Ranch near Santa Fe, New Mexico, according to the announcement. I was one of the few who got away. Ha! I was there for a total of maybe 10 weeks. We planned it last second coming back from eating and we said right before we go back in this building were going to take off for the mountain. Anyway, I just started his book because I have a little cousin well call D he is 11 years old and showing signs of being a sociopath. Maximize your time on the water and make great memories on one of our deluxe overnight river camping trips. Sounds like I never got my resolution from being in this place. I am a survivor too. Everyday I was there, they tried to break my spirit. I did keep my promise and removed her before she completed the program. I kept it on me at all times. email Judy O'Hair I grew somewhat accustomed to the monotony, floating through the same day over and over and over again. Please email me at clark.capehart.charles@gmail.com. They caught up in our pathetic attempt and put us in intervention, basically a little cabin with lavender walls where they put you on time out. That was more new news. All of the outgoing letters were pre-read by staff, so anything defamatory or heavy on complaining was not allowed to be mailed out. Robert Lichfield can barely read. Luckily I was 17 at my time of imprisonment and only had 10 1/2 months to wait out till my 18th birthday. Hahayes we called Eugene Little 2Pac I forgot about that nickname. This place was a bloody joke, love is how you show guidence and parenting. Or Jeff Manzanares badass staff member?? Energy suck, emotional suck, attention suck! I did not attend this school and Im very thankful for that. My boyfriend (at that time) got sent there in 1999. Hmmm.. it was a joke. High Impact in Mexico definitely did not help and my only reward for graduating that boot camp in Mexico is getting sent back to Spring Creek Lodge until I left at 18. I was failing school miserably, I had no clue what was going on in class because I missed so much school from a staph infection that I got that caused me to need hip surgery twice I had to walk on crutches for two years. I still have nightmares about this place, and it has been 7 years since I have graduated from this place. They said it was part of my image or something like that. But I try and find the good things. I was in Dignity, and I remember a lot of shit that happened there. Although I was often penalized for the former by the upper level girls, I was usually doing nothing except not looking straight ahead of me. We pick you up each day at the hotel and in the evenings you can enjoy fun western towns like Bozeman and Livingston, Browse our large network of vacation homes and cabins that are either on the water or centrally located to great fishing. I started hitting my self in the face, like punching my face so hard over and over again. Shit!!!!! Nhn Nevada Spring Creek Rnch last sold on April 08, 2022 for $2,500,000. Central Montana has a wide variety of outdoor recreation. I was there 06-07 when I was transferred to Jamaica. Sounds like a case worker or family parent. There were small victories however, occasionally vicarious ones. If that doesnt sum up their bullshit in one sentence I would like to know what does. We were thrown in freezing ponds infested with who knows what just for fun. My name is Jessica I was in Serenity feoom 2003 to 2004. And I KNOW it ruined his. I was also in quest. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. And get this those same three friends that were doing all those same things I was doing are doing 10 times better in life that I am doing today. From May of 2003 to June of 2004, Im Amber Wayman. We are located near Livingston, Montana just 40 miles north of Yellowstone National Park Armstrong Spring Creek on the O'Hair Ranch - Spring Creek Fly Fishing in Montana that dude was a mess. I was there for the Upper level Prom which I was fortunate enough to dance with a very attractive (and I think even taller than me) blonde. My name is corwin Preston. Improve or just stop. Experience some of the lower 48's most remote fisheries. It would be great to see how everyone is doing in life. And i played it safe to say the least! JOHN!!!!!!! His wife was hot though. Technically I even graduated High School from Spring Creek. I was the youngest one in both those programs I was barely 13 years old. Life is good. The things he told me about that place still give me nightmares. It was just beginning. He says in his book that he worked there for 10 years. Feel free to reach out! Did you ever get jumped in the woods, told to keep quiet to the press, beaten, abused or humiliated? Hope hes doing well. Sending everyone love and healing from all this awful shit. i did meet some other victims of this place that I love to pieces and some are on my facebook. We went on a work trip to some town kind of near by and we ran from there to a greyhound and had a girlfriend by us tickets to vegas. All in all it is all as it is supposed to be. I was 15 years old. You just Look Like An Idiot. He was in Samoa for 22 months his name was josh and he was upper level and was already 18 but he went on a pass and when he confessed that he had sex with his girlfriend ( who he had a 2 year old baby with) and just got dropped back down to level 1. I am proud of that and still remember my times there. but its true. I remember when Cameron let me babysit his kids and how much trust he had in me. The lodge is located next to one of the largest Wilderness areas in the U.S. You can fish for salmon in the Middle Fork of the Salmon River. I wont say I want to visit for closure because like previously stated my experience helped me, it did not harm me. Forgot his name but one dude was sleeping with a female staff member and everyone in the offsite house had their PC3 pushed back 2 months with black cloud cause they didnt rat him out. One day they will have to answer for the things they did. How many photos are available for this home? This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply. I hope you feel the same. Put me in an insane asylum for two weeks while waiting to be taken to Jamaica where I found out what hell truly was. The next time the Flue rag bitches tried to creep on us, they got completely smashed on. All mineral and water rights owned by the seller will convey with purchase. I did survival challenger in Montana. We have a group on Facebook: WWASP Survivors. 5 months in the wilderness then committed, year and more. Please contact me at greene0756@gmail.com and I will give you Gabes info. Fishing on Armstrong is good all year round. Located in the upper Blackfoot Valley near the gateway into the Bob Marshall Wilde. To me, the sickness that afflicts the hearts of people like Lambert is a true testament to the snake oil our parents purchased in the name of trying to reach their children. This, coupled with the long growing season, allow crops to be grown both to benefit and attract the area wildlife and to generate income. Do you remember the wolf dog Lakota? I didnt believe it. Hows life. Private Spring Creek Fishing Come enjoy our private Spring Creek located on our ranch in Paradise Valley. Oh oh . After a week and a half of snowshoeing through this insane weather that no sane person would subject themselves to willingly, they gave us cross country skis . buncha rednecks wed call family fathers. One activity was the lifeboat and you had to go tell all your fellow prisoners if they lived or died. I was gonna go back this year for closure of some sort. He was one of the good ones in the jr. Staff. Privileges you lost at home because of that lack of respect. Montana is home to some of the most productive wild trout rivers on the planet. We were lucky to have cool ,and chill family fathers that would let us do whatever, as long as we were not to loud and no one found out, Hey Travis this is Mathew Patterson from respect I was there in 1999 to 2000 and went home at Christmas. Erics story, 1997 Even if we accepted your premise, the staff at these programs never received the kind of training necessary to properly make any kind of decisions on restraint of any kind (as evidenced by the bodyslamming, which is definitely NOT a medically-approved form of intervention) nor to offer any sort of treatment at all, which is probably why they didnt offer any in actuality. The land also includes superior water rights. I could write a book about this and there are many many crazy situations that were just sick in the head that I could tell you about. There are no excuses and everyone made mistakes but no one deserves to be treated sofoolish as to say our parents couldnt save us or didnt care for us. I got trench foot which screwed me for life. And the instructors just allowed it to happen saying they needed to blow off some steam. Our help was the traumait was child abuse. I told her to stay strong, do her best and to look around her and find strength in nature and what she sees around her. The deed to the ranch, a vital part of the larger Matador Cattle Company, says Koch, but to J.D., it's the only home he knows. I have no doubt that if he had not been subjected to the types of violence we all experienced in the programs, he wouldnt be in his current predicament. There is no experience more thrilling than catching big, wild fish in a solitary setting. More Home About Photos Reviews Follow About See all 101 Nelsons Spring Creek Rd Livingston, MT 59047 1,189 people like this 1,426 people follow this 488 people checked in here http://nelsonsspringcreek.com/ The rebranding was a total failure haha. Updated January 2023: By searching, you agree to the Terms of Use, andPrivacy Policy. I was put on a plane to Arizona in December and I ended up being forced marched through the canyon country for 3 weeks. Stayed in the 18+ house where we had ping pong table, steak cookouts ECT. I was dropped of at a homeless shelter on my 18th b-day. I witnessed many myself. And a guy David Leech (is that Goofy?) Now I find this survivor website!!!!! If you would participate in our goal of shutting these places down for good, you will be helping your daughter and thousands more like her. and SHARING, WTF is SHARING?? Do I still have anger issues? He started indoctrinating us during this time where we all felt literally lost in the woods to his version of how we should view ourselves and the way we had been living. Chelsey, Gave what I could. Finally someone that will help us survivors. My life didnt really ever go anywhere to be honest. I guess thats what they felt they had to conform too,to try to program. So I was laying in the back of the pick up with a blanket covering me thinking I got a ride out of there. Spring Creek Campground is located in Lewis and Clark National Forest at an elevation of 5,300 feet. Simply try to forgive, forget, and move on. I was there in 2004 in eternity family. My friends were Jeremy Witmer, Thom Carhart, Mike DeAlba, Eric Henderson, Chris Gueiterz (i totally spelled that wrong), Travis Hanson, James Westlund, James Boatright, Chris Miller, Jim Oetter and many others whose names escape me. That was what it was before your time. Nhn Nevada Spring Creek Rnch, Helmville, MT 59843 is a lot/land. Mike the counselor got punched in the face while I was there. Your kids likely do not need to be shipped off to get help. Pictures of the Racist Chaffin Pullan! Hit me up shelbymorgan47@yahoo.com, I was also in spring creek lodge back in 97 for 6 weeks. Site cast to trophy trout cruising the shallows of several productive lakes. I remember when I finally made it to jr.staff and I somehow managed to get into the HR building and do paperwork for a couple weeks. I stole a car twice, escaped, robbed a liquor with a stolen car and brought tobacco back to feed the masses. I agree I have no bad memories. I was there when karylie commited suiside it was a crazy time ! I also realized that my daughter was reacting to the way our lives were. And they used to say I get you being in your image or something like that. Cameron had a running tab at the local bars. Idk if anybody ever looks at this shit anymore, as 20 years in the past comes and goes. If spring creek was bad I was worse. No wonder my counselor at school had so many questions when I told her I went to Spring Creek. If you just have a day or two to spare, day trips are a great way to experience Montana's legendary fisheries. Spring Creek Ranch. No worksheet, just a wooden cubicle to waste away in while a junior staff crunches on Cheetos and tells you to not turn around in your seat. SCL wasclosed in 2009 after a dramatic drop in enrollment and a failed attempt to convert part of the facility into an 18+ program called Camas Ranch. Im looking to buy up some land in MT, something with river access. Im sorry to hear of his problems and I hope he will finally get the mental hell he needs. When i went i was 17 so i only had a year to do. Rates from $55 - $65 a night plus tax. what a buncha suckers our parents are for dishing out the cash they did. So glad this hell-hole was shut down. They kicked my brother out because he refused to participate in any of that whacked out shit lol So on top of the seminars you had monogenesis daily wake up bell 5 minute shit shower and shave for 20 bunks if they didnt shower the night before get ready line up dick to butt in silence. Pathfinders with Mile Parr!! She is on the tracks and we are about to release 4-5 trains at full speed , she could have been in the middle of that bridge and never had a way off if a train came over. Best memories were from meeting the fellow inmates and learning what we could. Shes from California but heading East. Exceptional elk hunting & resident elk herd consisting of hundreds of elk offering hunters both archery & rifle opportunities. Cant remember exactly. For the things that were done to me and then sent me to Jamaica for defending myself. I watch as my other siblings get love but theres never enough left over for me. Someone calls back to me that there is another missing girl on the tracks and to call this phone number. There are some irrigated meadows with the balance of the ranch in pasture, brushy coulees, and scattered timber. Someone mentioned that it was a place where we lost our dreams and it seems like that US true bc everything th a rd happened to me after I left has been a result of what that place made me become. God damn fuck that place so fucking much. Cleveland National Forest - Wikipedia More than likely there are some things that you can do or change to help the situation. Anyway, They gave me a number to the Heron facility. I cant believe after all we have been through we now have to deal with this I got to Noxon and crossed the big silver bridge that leads from Noxon to Highway 200 on the other side of the clark fork. I was in paradise cove from july of 97 to oct 98. I remember you and can remember your love of old classic muscle cars. We were all coming from Sky View Christian Academy, which was a WWASP program in Hawthorne, NV that was forced to close because of a handful of lawsuits/complaints. I went inside one of the bathrooms and locked the stall and stood on top of toilet seat top so u couldnt see my feet. Because your pretty much teaching yourself. Even after the loss of multiple lawsuits, news reports outlining the abuse and new lawsuits filed regularly, they turn a blind eye to hide the children that they broke using the guise of helping them. The little kid you remember was Cliff Miller, and there was Cody Bradford. I was in excell family. To this day Im shocked I wasnt tackled after shouting that! Im using a fake name but my mom said shes been here and I asked her for the name to do research, this place was a hellhole! So I dropped out in the 10th grade. Bullrun Spring Creek Ranch - Hall and Hall Please enable JavaScript on your browser and try again. I was scared and lonely the entire time. I dont remember alot of peoples names from then but I do remember jay and Eugene and gabe. It was a place that MADE you earn your privileges. When referring to the kids she never used we. Try to put me in the hobbit now. I was already struggling in school before I had the surgery and missed months of school. Only white cotton undergarments from now on. Nhn Nevada Spring Creek Rnch, Helmville, MT 59843 I was 15 years old and literally in survival mode ready to kill any jr. staff or staff member that fucked with me or discovered I was concealing a weapon. But yeah I only passed the one seminar, played along, realized at the end of it that it was just straight up emotional manipulation and brainwashing. Yet he, allegedly a licensed therapist and thus a mandated reporter, failed to report said abuse, making him not only a garbage human being, but also guilty of breaking the mandated reporting law and an abettor of the abuse himself. These parents who allow their children to stay in these abusive, disreputable programs should be ashamed in my opinion as these facilities are child abuse by proxy. -Myles wisdomfamily1998, Myles, youre awesome you have no idea how much that would mean to Gabe. I remember her pulling over at what I thought was a Motel 6 to ask for directions. I tried to get a little distance before slowing down and stopping. I also forgive my daughter for her choices/actions that resulted in her stay at Spring Creek. I was in Spring Creek Lodge from 2002 to 2003. He then went on to be the Director for Majestic Ranch, now operating as Old West Academy, where children as young as 7, and perhaps younger, were detained, abused, and used as forced labor. We were isolated from any houses or people way up there, and didnt have any food to bring with us anyway. 510-666-5591. Know when to ask questions know when to back off, know when to be a friend, know when to parent. If anyone remembers Kyle Thompson please get In touch with me thompsondsm92@gmail.com. The feelings of hopelessness, mental rape, and imprisonment for whatever offense perpetrated at home, and dealt with by uniform aggression and abuse always remain. Narvin. The guy who conducted those warped seminarsDavid Gilcrease was his name, I thinkhe scared me. Played the hand that i was delt to the best of my ability at the time. The service requires full cookie support in order to view this website. So you couldnt process the traumatic loss you just experienced as a child being drug out of your bed in the middle of the night. Why do all Program Staff and Program Robots use the same Weird Capitalization Scheme? Reading about Josh Lambert is crazy. The ranch has been endowed with some of the most impressive natural resources found anywhere in the west all of which have been enhanced and protected by the current owners' stewardship practices. Lol fuck that place! otto? It has been great to read all of these posts and see the familiar names.its good to see how you all are doingIts so strange that all of us went through this shit together but were so far apart I wish i could get my hands on a damn SCL 98/99 directory of students AND staff hahaI hope all of you are doing well..I am happy to say I am loving life with my two kiddos and living in Denver best city ever so if any of you remember me please feel free to email me! Unfortunately your story is very common and many of us who came out of their were actual threats to society where before we were just snotty little bastards. I never got sexually assaulted and am sad to hear that it happened but they definitely made me as miserable as they could when I was there. I have been helping him put together his story if anyone remembers Brian McLaren from 96 and 97 and would be willing to share what they remember please help me help him. I remember everything. Reading this brings up soo many memories. New troubled teen program under investigation for false - Missoulian Colton Stoneman. Let me start by saying I would NEVER send my child(ren) away. Sounds terrible I thought about her and how terrible her parents might feel right now. Parr hall. I was led to believe that I was going on a vacation with my Mom to Park Cities, Utah. Consequently, It was very easy for me to lose points for being unconscious and neglectful, especially when all the girls in leadership positions used to watch us like hawks and consequent us for every minor mistake. Hi, I was in Serenity 2001-2003 as well. Another horrible practice was where they would have girls talk in public about their rape and then have everyone yell obscenities like whore you deserved it slut. Back in the days of Spring Creek Community there were less than 100 kids and maybe 6 or 7 cabins at the site of the school with one central lodge. Other schools like it have also been shut down for similar reasons including suicide/attempted suicide of the students and lawsuits thanks to allegations of child abuse and neglect/ human rights violations. You have to contact the Montana stae board of education and work backwards from there it is a shit show. Anyway thankful for your post Brann id enjoy a conversation with you anytime, My name is Chris and I attended Spring Creek Lodge for 6 months in 2003 all I can say is the horror stories are spot on the neglect was real the psychological and physical abuse was real and The Hobbit which only people that have gone to the school will understand what Im talking about pretty much destroyed any self-worth that I had when I requested my exit plan I was given a ride to the nearest homeless shelter and the clothes on my back in the middle of winter I am so glad the school is shut down and I have the utmost hatred for both the school the staff and my parents who still to this day stand behind what they did I hope to God anybody that is stuck in a program like this run run run run it is the only hope and when they let loose the dogs make sure they tear your face off so that you have the physical proof of what they do I know for a fact that use dogs at Spring Creek Lodge to track down students who have ran I only know this because I was put on junior staff privilege and sent on a Manhunt for a lower class student who had ran this school actually had measures and plan taught to their staff in the case that somebody ran or in the case that somebody tried to hurt themselves simply because it happened so frequently and the staff made sure to downplay anything that was going on at the school that would be construed as detrimental to the well-being of a minor the two men at the head of this ship should be held for their crimes and being given the the chair if you ask me which would be fitting because all we would have to do is tell him that its worksheet sit on your stool and stare at the wall only for him there would be no release after 24 hours of sitting on the stool this may sound like a rant or exaggeration but all I can say is I have not construed the truth in any way if you want any more details feel free to contact me I will speak freely about everything that went on at that school if thats what you want to call it, My name is Chris and I attended the school in 2003 I currently live in Phoenix Arizona and when I read your story about the desert I thought maybe you would still be around here if you are I would totally be down to talk to you Im going through a little bit myself now that I am in my 30s and the flashback of this period of my life are starting to dominate my current psyche I think maybe if I was able to connect with some other people that understood what I went through I might be able to talk of the flashback if you would be okay talking with me please by all means give me a call my phone number is 602-596-3046, Looks like this isnt a very active place to post anymore, but I just wanted to state that I think I have everyone beat in a few ways. Early 2004. Tom, you had to be one of those stick in the ass junior staff. 14 hours ago Spring Creek Ranch is located on a wildlife sanctuary almost 1,000 feet above the town of Jackson and has the most spectacular views of the Teton Mountain Range, including Spring Creek Lodge - North Patagonia Located in the upper Blackfoot Valley near the gateway into the Bob Marshall Wilderness, the 1,185 acre Nevada Spring Creek Ranch features a dynamic blend of water resources including over 5 miles of a restored Spring Creek, nearly 6 miles of Nevada Creek--a major tributary of the upper Blackfoot River--and hundreds of acres of pristine wetland habitat. But I think it did more harm. Danny I believe you had a twin brother, I cant remember his name. Most homes have some risk of natural disasters, and may be impacted by climate change due to rising temperatures and sea levels. 0.92 acres lot - Lot / Land for sale. I could no longer socialize with kids in my normal high school, and it destroyed any chance of a normal high school experience. Remember going in there the first time and going Where the fucks the worksheet at?!!! Finally one day when I had my scheduled call, my mother asked , Are they listening to you talk. and I said , Yes . Who the hell were these guys? The surrounding mountain ranges and plains offer great hunting opportunities for healthy herds of elk, antelope, Whitetail and Mule deer. They didnt fuck with us anymore after that. Scared clutching the back railing. The futility of compliance with a nonsensical, arbitrary set of rules where years of confinement are worth more than good behavior led to daydreams or what they refer to as run plans. I was in and out of worksheets/intervention from walking opposite direction as my (courage)family group on purpose to always keep the staff on their toes I guess you cn say I have a problem walking a straight line with others? Tried to stay positive and give my mom everything she had paid foran acceptable me? Spring Creek Lodge - The Big Freeze Festival He probably wont remember me, but I remember him as he was assigned to my family a lot. I was disgusting and made me feel so dirty. Anyways he could of just walked out of there technically but we shared a bunk and we just waited until the night staff that always falls asleep was there and the staff that was the leader of our cabin (jay bird) I feel so bad because he was the nicest out of all the staff. Needless to say it struck me as odd. Wish you guys all well in life. I didnt want her to catch a ride with a stranger. It was my first or second week there. But that doesnt mean that the entirety of the Program was Bullshit or wasnt Helpful. Sorry to hear that these places lasted so long. I actually liked that because I didnt have to deal with those sessions. I think the staff knew what I was doing and how I was making it bleed and so they wanted to put me in this position to make me stop. My son Gabriel was there in 1997. Here is a picture of my ugly mug from work. Im on to you. Hi Susan Lambert, even just a fun little demonstration was a big deal. I can remember countless times when they would needlessly call for support staff and watch as 6 male staff pinned me to the ground. The mental torture they put you through was insane. I stayed at level one, zero points for a whole year. Oh and if you struggle with school work good luck. This was real, and Im here to validate these claims. The worst part is these programs go on operating, get shut down and reopen in new locations with different names and the world just lives on, completely oblivious that hell holes such as these really exist. Pls This to every and everyone. Seeing as how we were not allowed to exchange personal contact information during our time there. Im sure your one of the few. Just looking for pictures and memories good and bad. The Pullansserved as owners and administrators of the SCL facility until 2009, when the school was closed. Everything else was sort of just a juvie type of atmosphere, kids being shifty and staff attempting to catch them. Shit i remember when they had the riot at one of the out of country locations and they shipped a bunch of students to SCL. I only say that cause I think he was from LA like you said. After spending 4 months in spring creek HELL, luckily I turned 18 & demanded to leave. In addition to the recreational opportunities found on the property, the ranch borders over 1,600 acres of public land, including a Federal waterfowl production area and Aunt Molly's wildlife management area. And same day I dislocated Bills shoulder from him and tmac restraining me. Yes you were brain washed I feel so sorry for you. And what capacity? YEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! Our cabins are what we like to call "OUT OF THE ELEMENTS". Anyone who remembers me please reach out. I was there may 2001 to april 2002. But scl was filled with the same shit. Talk about some gay shit lol they said I would amount to nothing!!!!! I get out calmly and walk to the back of the truck.

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